if you think about incentives for investment in new technologies, the tax credit, tax credit for solar and wind power. some of that is actually helpful. >> you're being far too reasonable. far too reasonable. >> now, some -- wait a second. let me get -- i don't know if it's unreasonable but let me tell you what i was about to say. if you think about oil and gas subsidie subsidies, if you think about all the profits, and this is the big money stuff that are deferred, held overseas, if you think about the ability of private equity funds to deduct interest payments on their debt finance deals, all of that is corporate welfare. so you know, there's balance here to be seen. >> now, joy, i mean, you know -- i told joy earlier, speaker boehner is tripping. he writes that the tactics are -- >> i agree. >> -- repeal efforts have to change. are you kidding me? three times they've been defeated on this. what has to change is their attitude on this. >> oh, is john boehner going to be pissed when he finds out mitt romney lost the election. if they let him out of that time machine, he might be somet